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January 2012

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I've learned my lesson.

Really. No sarcasm here. 

In my last post, I made a comparison of women who give into peer pressure and have sex before they’re ready to women who claim that men have no say in abortion because it’s not “their” body.

My first problem was that I was frustrated and decided to make a short, snappy statement without any support behind it. My motives were that it seems that if you make a long, debating post, no one pays any attention. You know, tl;dr. But that doesn’t mean I should just surrender and post something that could be taken to mean other than what I was thinking in a voice that sounds mocking rather than insightful. I just wanted to get in and get out, make my point, and be done with it. Still, that was very wrong of me, because when you argue that way, all it does is make people angry. My goal with my posts is never, ever to make people angry, but to make them think, and if desired, start an open and nonjudgmental discussion about the issue.

While I was trying to make a point, I was unaware that so many different interpretations of “let themselves be pressured” could be made. Just to clarify - I did not mean rape or date rape or anything where a woman makes it clear that no means no and is forced to anyway, nor was I putting women who are pressured into sex at fault, nor was I saying that women don’t really want to have sex and are just pressured into it constantly.

My second - and probably more severe - problem was that I used a comparison as sensitive as sex. I apologize. But in discussing with others who argued my last post, I have come up with a better comparison.

As I’ve said before, I’ve learned my lesson. So one tl;dr post coming right up!

I continually hear the argument that men should not have any say in the issue of abortion because it is not their body. I find this very ironic, because it seems like, as far as society is concerned, women as a whole do not have very much control over their body anyway. From a very young age, we are told how we’re supposed to look and how we’re supposed to act. Be skinny. Wear a size 0. Don’t eat cake. Drink diet soda or vitamin water. Get a tan. Wear short skirts. Wear this kind of make up and style your hair this way. Pluck your eyebrows and plump your lips. Wear mascara. If you have children past a certain age, you’re being selfish. If you have children before a certain age, you’re a slut. Use tampons instead of pads. If you sleep with too many people, you’re easy. If you don’t sleep with anyone, you’re a prude. Wear heels all of the time. Straighten your hair. If you ever get a gray hair, dye your entire head. Have a boyfriend constantly, or something must be wrong with you. Pierce your ears. But any more than a double piercing is trashy.

Any of these sound familiar to anyone?

The problem is that as a society, we give into these pressures. Look at teen magazines. They’re all about how to be “sexy.” The articles are hardly ever about something other than make-up and wardrobe tips. If you’re over 25, your magazines are going to teach you how to lose weight and have the perfect figure. If this kind of stuff didn’t work on us, we wouldn’t buy these magazines, and they would have to start writing about other things. 

None of this is to say that I’m somehow not at fault. While I don’t buy the magazines, I exercise three times a week - I was not initially motivated because I wanted to be healthy, but because I gained the freshman five and it freaked me out. Even with the freshman five, I was still 15 pounds underweight, yet I felt like I had to lose it. I refuse to leave the house without make-up. Society absolutely has a say in my body, and even though I don’t know how to get around it and break free from the pressure, I know that it’s a bad thing.

The ironic thing to me, though, is that many women will agree that men are not allowed to state their opinion about abortion. They say it’s their body and men should not get any say. At the same time, women are constantly being told by society - and you know that society is heavily influenced by what men think of them - how to look and what to do to their body. 

While I would argue that abortion is different because it is, in fact, neither the man or the woman’s body, but the baby’s body, the concept is still there. It’s unfair that men are able to hold such a say over women, except for in an issue that men - fathers - need to have a say in. 

Again, I apologize for how crude my last post was. I hope this more accurately expresses the point I was trying to get across before.

Jan 26, 201219 notes
#Sex #Abortion #Body #Society #Catholic
You know what I find terribly ironic? That girls argue that men shouldn't get a say in abortion because it's "their" body, while at the same time, every minute a girl is allowing herself to be pressured into having sex.

krokodile:

and you know what i find terribly gross?  that people think like this. yes, personal responsibility is important, but so is telling someone that someone pressuring them is *their fault.*


another assclown giving catholics a bad name.  diaf.

I am not saying that being pressured is the person’s fault. If a woman wants to walk out into the street with just her underwear on, she should be able to without anyone thinking anything about her.

If a woman goes out with her boyfriend of a year and comes home and he tries to give her all of the reasons why she should sleep with him, he’s scum an she doesn’t deserve that. But if she gives in (given a situation when she doesn’t feel ready) then yes, as an intelligent, thinking human being, she is responsible for not just putting her foot down and leaving, if she has to. And you and I both know that this happens severely more often than it should.

I don’t understand why the name calling is necessary. I find that to be particularly gross myself, especially since you were taking what I said to be something different and jumping to conclusions.

Jan 26, 201219 notes
[TRIGGER WARNING: rape, discussion of non-consent] boom.: You know what I find terribly ironic? That girls argue that men shouldn't get a say in abortion because it's "their"... → indigocrayon.tumblr.com

indigocrayon:

lovelyloretta:

indigocrayon:

Above/Title is by OP [lovelyloretta], below/post is reply by me [indigocrayon]:

You know what I find terribly gross?

That you think being pressured into something is something that people allow to happen to themselves. That you care so little about women that you want to shame them for being …

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Hold on. I meant nothing about women who are raped. My post was not at ALL targeted toward women who are raped. Oh my goodness, girl. 

I also was not talking at all about women who are consenting to sex.

I was merely pointing out the irony that there are so many women who don’t want to have sex but do anyway, because they’re afraid that the guy they’re with will break up with them, or that they’ll never get married, etc. etc. As a 19-year-old virgin who is waiting until she’s married to have sex, I’ve heard plenty of, “Yeah, good luck finding a guy who will put up with that,” and things along that line.

And I know many, many, many girls who aren’t even planning on waiting until they’re married, but simply don’t feel ready yet to have sex, but give into the pressure because they’re afraid of losing the guy they’re with.

I just find it sad that this happens so often, yet these are the same people who say a man doesn’t get the right to have any opinion on abortion because it’s not their body. That’s all.

Do you still not see the problematic nature of what you wrote

No one lets themselves be pressured, they are pressured (and being pressured into something is bad and shouldn’t happen! I agree with that, just to be clear). How do you know they are the same people and the reasons why people are having sex. Maybe you’re going off things you know about friends or acquaintances here because I don’t see any major trend that lends truth to the correlation you drew.

I actually see a different sort of correlation now that I think about it:

1. being pressured into sex is bad

2. you shouldn’t have sex just because someone else wants you to, but because you want to also. because yeeee consent

3. as in, being pressured into having sex is bad

4. in the same way, being pressured into going through with a pregnancy or an abortion is also wrong

As I understand it, you’re trying to say something about ‘it’s ironic that people who think no one else should tell them what to do with their body have sex when other people want to” But this is really gross, see, because of what I said about earlier about the wording, but also because

with abortion and the pregnant person getting to choose without anyone else’s input having as much importance as their own, it’s about being able to make a choice about their own body

with someone being pressured into sex, their choice is pretty much taken away from them

I’m having a hard time wording this because I can’t find a way to equate things that I don’t think are equatable. They’re not things you can equate because no one should be pressured into having sex or into having an abortion or carrying through a pregnancy. But you’re implying that people who say abortion should be up to the pregnant person are okay with the decision to have sex not being completely wanted by one involved party. But I see that as false, because to uphold one you necessarily have to uphold the other. That no one should be pressured into anything. And saying people are allowing themselves to be pressured does come off as victim blamey stuff.

edit: with being pressured into sex, the choice is being taken away from them already, so they’re left with a limited area of things to choose from

you can’t equate people wanting to have open choice with a situation where complete free choice is already taken away; coercion means they’re (the person who is coerced) acting within constraints

edit 2: I don’t think pressured sex can really be called consensual. And if something is not consensual it is rape. That is what I was saying earlier in my original reblog.

edit 3: If you’re not talking about women who are raped and you’re not talking about women who have consensual sex, then what women are you talking about even.

I’m talking about women who don’t feel ready to have sex but sleep with someone anyway because they fear that the person they are with will leave them. This happens all of the time - you and I both know that. Just like people are peer pressured into trying drugs and alcohol. I’m not referring to any sort of threatening language or physical abuse being involved.

Not to mention society puts an amazing amount of pressure on girls to have sex young. Look at teen managzines. You and I both know the pressure that society puts on girls specifically, to be sexy, to look a certain way, to be skinny, etc. And every time we respond to those pressures, it’s our own decision. There is no forcing involved, just peer pressure. Yet at the same time, we’re saying it’s our body and no one else gets a say. There’s a frightening disconnect here.

Essentially, the trend I am seeing is that the vast majority of women say that abortion is their right “because it’s their body,” and thusly men are not allowed to have any say in the matter. At the same time, the vast majority of women give into the pressures of society. The countless ones that we feel - all of us, even if we’re able to ignore it, we feel the pressure - from a very young age to modify our bodies and use our bodies in certain ways. That’s the connection I’m making.  

Jan 26, 201219 notes
boom.: You know what I find terribly ironic? That girls argue that men shouldn't get a say in abortion because it's "their"... → indigocrayon.tumblr.com

indigocrayon:

Above/Title is by OP [lovelyloretta], below/post is reply by me [indigocrayon]:

You know what I find terribly gross?

That you think being pressured into something is something that people allow to happen to themselves. That you care so little about women that you want to shame them for being …

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Hold on. I meant nothing about women who are raped. My post was not at ALL targeted toward women who are raped. Oh my goodness, girl. 

I also was not talking at all about women who are consenting to sex.

I was merely pointing out the irony that there are so many women who don’t want to have sex but do anyway, because they’re afraid that the guy they’re with will break up with them, or that they’ll never get married, etc. etc. As a 19-year-old virgin who is waiting until she’s married to have sex, I’ve heard plenty of, “Yeah, good luck finding a guy who will put up with that,” and things along that line.

And I know many, many, many girls who aren’t even planning on waiting until they’re married, but simply don’t feel ready yet to have sex, but give into the pressure because they’re afraid of losing the guy they’re with.

I just find it sad that this happens so often, yet these are the same people who say a man doesn’t get the right to have any opinion on abortion because it’s not their body. That’s all.

Jan 25, 201219 notes
You know what I find terribly ironic? That girls argue that men shouldn't get a say in abortion because it's "their" body, while at the same time, every minute a girl is allowing herself to be pressured into having sex.
Jan 25, 201219 notes
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Jan 25, 2012
I'm in a hobby store with my boyfriend.

About to read Genesis for my Sacred Scripture homework. 

Don’t pretend I didn’t plan that on purpose.

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So guess who's heartbroken?

As all of my friends know, I was throwing up blood earlier this week. I felt much better afterwords, and decided I was going to push through an make the trip to DC for the March.

This morning I was gagging over the toilet. Through tears, I emailed the director of the trip and told him I won’t be able to go and why.

Please pray for me to find contentment with my decision. I’m more upset about this than I’ve almost ever been in my life.

I’ll be with all of you in prayer. Go save babies.

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Reblog if you'll be at the March for Life next week.

This better end up with notes in the thousands, people.

Jan 16, 201262 notes
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Fr. Shane Johnson: Jesus > Religion? → fathershane.com

fathershane:

So riatumbles asked what I think about the video that’s getting all the attention over the last few days.

Basically I think it’s a shame that all that amazing talent spent so much time at the service of a message that’s so self-contradictory.

From the first line: “Jesus came to abolish…

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Dei Gratia: A friend of mine posted a video. → allforhisgreaterglory.tumblr.com

throughdeathcomeslife:

lovelyloretta:

It’s about why religion is bad but Jesus is good. I don’t want to get into it on his comments, because I know he’ll just roll his eyes, but I’m positive he posted it with the idea of me seeing it. Before I came back to college, we had a talk about why he does not like the…

^ This really pisses me off. All I read was a bunch of religious bull. I’ve watched the video and it moved my heart. Critizing someone else’s ministry is like cutting the wrist in the body of Christ. Self mutilization.

Except that what he speaks is purely emotional - his comments on religion have no basis on fact. What I said was true and based on more than just feelings.

Also, is he not criticizing the ministry of my church and of all other religions? Seriously. 

Jan 13, 201230 notes
A friend of mine posted a video.

It’s about why religion is bad but Jesus is good. I don’t want to get into it on his comments because I know he’ll just roll his eyes, but I’m positive he posted it with the idea of me seeing it. Before I came back to college after Christmas break, we had a talk about why he does not like the Catholic Church. Everything he said was either based off of lies that other people told him or lack of knowledge (which is the same thing, really). He didn’t know what to say to a lot of my responses.

I don’t want to reblog this video because I don’t want to give the maker any more publicity, but here’s what I have to say about it:

See, here’s the funny thing about this guy:

He thinks he’s saying a lot but he’s throwing out his opinions with no support. Like, if he says it to a catchy rhythm it’s true or something. Everything he says can be applied to every “nonreligious Christian” I’ve met. 

It’s like because he was a Sunday church kid and sinner for the other six days, everyone who goes to church is the same.

He’s completely missing the fact that “when Jesus hated religion” there were no Christian religions yet. The non-Jews were all idol worshippers who bowed down to false gods and used them like vending machines. Shocking that Jesus would want to get rid of that, huh?

“If Jesus came to your church, would they actually let him in?” I can absolutely say that mine would. And religion is not a man-made invention. Jesus established the first Christian religion.

And his being addicted to pornography thing. If religion is just a list of things to do, then why doesn’t he take into consideration that Christian religions say that pornography is bad? You know what I mean? I don’t know any Christian religion that says pornography is an okay thing. So why is he so self-righteous for realizing that after he left?

Geez. This guy seriously needs to do his homework. There are so many lies in what he’s saying.

I have to ask. If it’s so much better not to have religion, then how come the non-religious Christians can’t even agree on what is sinful and what isn’t?

“Religion says do, Jesus says done.” If it’s done, and we shouldn’t do, then why can’t he watch porn? What is sin if it’s all done? Shouldn’t I want to be bonded to the teachings of Christ? And shouldn’t I be humble enough to realize I am blind to so much of His majesty because I am just a human walking on earth who hasn’t had the blessing of seeing His face or hearing His voice? Am I not blind because even when I am aware of sin, I still commit it daily? He makes it sound like Jesus is just this happy-go-lucky guy. What about the God of the Old Testament who was to be feared? Does he not realize that God and Jesus are the same, and Jesus, though loving us despite everything, still sees our sin?

And all of his statements about Jesus himself, not in terms of religion, such as Christ’s dying for our sins, religion (or mine, anyway) would support that.

He also makes comments about the Republican party not meaning Christian. No kidding. That’s not exactly brilliant. The Democratic party isn’t exactly a Christian one, either. I’d like to find one that is fully Christian. It would definitely make my life easier.

And as Mystagogy pointed out to me - Jesus was not only a Jew, but he practiced the Jewish religion. If religion is good enough for Him, it’s good enough for me.

P.S. Resentfulness and hate are not from God.

Jan 12, 201230 notes
#religion #Catholic #YouTube #video
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